Posts by Amelia Ashton

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The Cosmos an orderly created universe by a God ? or is it a chaotic universe without order or arrangement by any God ?

by smiddy3 in

or is the universe just following the natural laws of physics etc,etc.. i remember when i was "in" talks and books by the society highlighted the order of the universe went like clockwork ,sun ,moon and stars all in their relative positions and not one out of their place .. however the advancement in science of the universe / astronomy shows a much more different picture that demonstrates a more chaotic realism of what actually goes on out their in this vast universe .. black holes , which can merge together , galaxies colliding and merging together , large meteors ,some of which have crashed here on earth ,supernovas ,stars being born and stars in their death throes .. just some of the things off the top of my head ,apparently their are many more.. i look forward to comments and some good book to read on the subject..

Amelia Ashton

The craters on the moon are surely evidence of chaos not order in our universe.

Are meteorites hitting earth part of God's plan or did Eve put the entire universe out of kilter when she munched on that "forbidden fruit"?

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JWbroadcasting December 2018 : Under Examination

by jwdoctrine in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fejicdbls&t=1915s.

in the december 2018 jw broadcasting episode, jehovah's witnesses are told to put faith in the faithful and discreet slave(once again), have admiration for angels, expect a gradual future resurrection, consider jesus in his preexisting life and how he learned from god to exercise love.

enjoy!.

Amelia Ashton

Love is learned?

Surely all emotions are innate not learned?

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Did anyone put off having children because of wt bs?

by I Faded Twice in

just curious if anyone put off having kids because the end was so close.

or because of you're "ministry" or lack of suitable mates..

Amelia Ashton

I was recruited in with 3 children so fortunately not an issue for me but there were a few couples "waiting" and now missed that window of opportunity. Some pioneer sisters wanting to marry "only in the lord" never did and are now in their late 50s. I went to school with one of them. She still lives with her parents and has never even had a foreign holiday. What a wasted life. I feel so sad for her. Although I have had some real down periods in my life I have "lived" and seen places, met wonderful people and have great memories. I'm not even aware that she ever actually recruited anyone into the cult for her to celebrate nor has she even ever had a dog let alone children. Saddest life ever. :(

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UK Charity Data For WBTS

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/apr/24/top-1000-charities-donations-britain#data.

thi slink takes you there.

the list is long.go figure.. .

Amelia Ashton

They are listed under 2 separate names.

IBSA first then a bit further down as Watchtower. Add the 2 figures together and that's a huge amount of money they have coming in.

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Faders Needing a Great One Liner

by Solzhenitsyn in

so our family fade is well under way.

we changed congregations as regular attenders and left in good standing with those giving hugs and kisses simply knowing we "needed a change".

we moved to a neighboring congregation that is out of our original region knowing we would see no one and the two boe's wouldn't really have immediate dealings.

Amelia Ashton

I found out how quickly you can be forgotten when visiting UK after being in Spain about 18 months or so.

I went into the hall expecting to be greeted like I had seen others being greeted excitedly and happily at conventions. Most didn't remember me at all so fading in a large city has been a complete breeze.

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Do you remember when you realised it was all bulls£&t

by moley in

i remember when my faith left me.

i used to enjoy meetings and used to participate but then all of a sudden i was finding myself bored shitless at meetings.

i was taken off the theocratic ministry school for not attending when i was due to give a talk and not long after did something naughty and got disfellowshiped.

Amelia Ashton

Long answer:

2008 I already felt there was no love and had doubts but it was the memorial so... A friend also struggling with depression and other stuff wanted to go to it but not ours so we went to the Spanish speaking one.

In a foreign language it all suddenly seemed a bit ridiculous and pointless watching complete strangers passing plates and goblets up and down the rows with no one having any.

I might have been to a few meetings inbetween I'm not sure but a year later and back in UK attending another memorial I was expecting to feel all warm and fuzzy now I was "back home" but I felt uncomfortable and like I didn't belong. That was my last ever meeting and still no-one has asked if I am ok or why I don't go any more. Zero contact from any of my so called brothers and sisters in almost 10 years now.

Short answer: 2009 memorial

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Faders Needing a Great One Liner

by Solzhenitsyn in

so our family fade is well under way.

we changed congregations as regular attenders and left in good standing with those giving hugs and kisses simply knowing we "needed a change".

we moved to a neighboring congregation that is out of our original region knowing we would see no one and the two boe's wouldn't really have immediate dealings.

Amelia Ashton

Maybe try saying you missed so.many meetings because (make something up) or life got in the way but now you no longer recognise the religion as the one you once belonged to. The "truth" being taught now compared to the "truth" you taught has changed so much you need time to study and catch up. By the way, can you explain the over lapping generation thing cos I am really having a problem with that one. (Substitute overlapping generation for blood fractions, the resurrection of Sodom and Gomorah or any other doctrine you know they have flip flopped on).

I am faded in a new town too (only 8 miles from my old cong) but still not bumped into anyone I know in almost 10 years.

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Serious Problems Between Elders

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

ever encountered or eyewitnessed problems escalating, arguements and rows between elders right at the kh anyone?.

one such experience was just before the meeting was about to start,we heard raised voices from the second room between two elders.

a minute later two other elders went into the room and we could all hear that they were trying to cool the situation down with whatever was going on in there.

Amelia Ashton

That's some list of dishonest Jehovah's Witnesses.

I don't think the ones I knew were on that scale but there was certainly scandal regarding "missing money" with one elder and tax fraud with the other (his father).

There were 3 large families all originally from Carlisle who moved first to Tenerife and then all 3 gradually moved themselves and their businesses over to Fuerteventura which was just beginning to become popular. One family imported British food and opened a shop, one family distributed British food to shops, the airport and hotels (that's the business I bought and discovered they had been running it illegally for 10 years) and the second generation a brother and sister set up an estate agency offering 110% mortgages in off plan properties that were never built and people's deposits went missing.

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Serious Problems Between Elders

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

ever encountered or eyewitnessed problems escalating, arguements and rows between elders right at the kh anyone?.

one such experience was just before the meeting was about to start,we heard raised voices from the second room between two elders.

a minute later two other elders went into the room and we could all hear that they were trying to cool the situation down with whatever was going on in there.

Amelia Ashton

I have no idea why but all 3 of our elders got a 6 month timeout and did nothing in the congregation while 3 elders from other congregations took over.

The only thing I was aware of was the elders got approval for the new KH by lying about how many of us lived closer to the potential new hall than the shared hall. That was 2005. It has since been sold and they are back sharing again at the original hall.

I've since made friends with an ex witness from their original hall in Carlisle in UK and she was aware they committed fraud while living in Spain.

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Did You Feel That You Were Being Controlled WHILE You Were A Witness?

by minimus in

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i never fully realized it until i was just about out.

i adopted the attitude that “if mother says so, mother knows best!”.

it took me a long time to conclude they were actually a cult.

Amelia Ashton

I felt controlled towards the end. Maybe because by then I was older than most of the elders and MSs and had run my own home and business but being female was supposed to be obedient to males still living with their Mummy. A 21 year old telling me what fabrics my girl's skirts could or could not to be made of peed me right off.

I had been out of full time work 6 months and was surviving on 2 part time jobs and money was getting tight. A job came up but it meant working every Sunday til 2pm. I took the job and was told by another "child," I was compromising my faith by not waiting for a job that didn't mean working on Sundays.

So glad I'm out